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According to the spec sheet the 530 has M Sport II suspension and I'm trying to find out what it comprises as I never heard of it before..
Does anyone know the difference between M Sport II suspension and M Sport suspension? From some searches I did some folks just say it's has thicker anti roll bars compared to M Sport but the part numbers for the shocks are different between the two which suggests theres more to it that that.
The million dollar question 4 years iv looked for the answer on and off and frankly there is not a single person on the planet who can answer "what the shock difference is" i even have a sachs catalogue from 2003 and the the msport 2 and msport 1 shock have an identical part no.
Through searching iv also found msport 1 shocks for £80 sterling directly from sachs
Arb difference is 1mm between the pair on the front cant remember the rears off the top of my head
That's interesting. I checked the Sachs catalogue online today and they list shocks for M Sport suspension including the bmw part number which they correspond to, however there's no mention of the bmw part no for the M Sport II shocksQuote:
Originally Posted by Gar
C3 list them as tech II
http://www.c3bmw.co.uk/StockItem.asp?categoryID=114&subcategoryID=0&productID=1585&oRef=-1§ion=2&Item=unassign
My invoice lists part number: 36.A61A as the part for the front shocks.
We also compared them before they went in, they were absolutely identical to the original units. Shaft diameter was exactly the same.
They sure do as does realoem/bmwfans/ecs etc but whats the actual difference outside of the bmw network apart from the number they both have aluminium housings both identical weights
Tech 2 is slightly lower isn't it? Could it be the shaft length?
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Dont think so 528i sport and 525 look identical maybe a slight variation in the coil spring probably 5mm tops
Id love to have both shocks(new) in my hand to get to the bottom of it once and for all
With tech II the springs are different between petrol and diesel 6 cylinders but the shocks are all the same so I don't think its the springs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gar
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There is a section in the BMW ETK parts catalogue called the spring table. In order to determine the correct spring part number for your car (any BMW model, even e34/e36, may be earlier) you need to enter all the options fitted to your car & it will spit out a spring part number.
Have a look at c3bmw.co.uk for pricing in e39 shocks. I think they were best value for OE Sachs shocks.
Example of spring table:
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...ring_table.jpg
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...ring_table.jpg
Yes but pre facelift cars could have used different coils shocks wouldn't normally lower a car unless it was a big difference its generally the springQuote:
Originally Posted by Dave
What i mean is visually there is little to no difference in ride height between msport 1and 2
Its not shock shaft lenght it would have been discovered a long time ago iv read countless threads on this some 20-30 pages long never a solution at the end of it iv asked bmw they have no idea and sachs say they are the same shock
The guy who made the shock was murdered in 2004 so thats a dead end
[emoji1] you've spent a lot of time researching this!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gar
The reason I suggested shaft length was that if the cars were of different ride height the rebound would need to be different on the shock. It's obviously not the case.
i made that last bit up (the murder) just checking if everyones awake [emoji1]
These are from the sachs catalogue
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So does that mean a certain combination of options will determine whether a car should have M Sport or M Sport II suspension?Quote:
Originally Posted by rebel.ranter
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Also bavauto.com seems even cheaper than c3 but I'm not sure if they'll mail to Ireland
Parcel motel €7 for oversized parcels including shocks [emoji6] you ship to there uk address they will bring it to finglas for you
Ps: for coil springs if you want to keep stock dealer is the only option better off with a prokit similar ride height and about 150 delivered all facelift sports will mtechII
So much for not turning a project hahaha lasted probably an hour [emoji1]
Delivered to my office in the US and into the suitcase sounds like a plan ( if needed, of course)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gar
I think you might be right Gar, but it'll only be a little project! [emoji6]
Sorry thought bavauto were in the uk and would not deliver to ireland
Hmm shocks could look a little suspicous on the xray [emoji1][emoji1][emoji1]
Anything to declare? Nope![emoji6]Quote:
Originally Posted by Gar
No, what it means is there are multiple different springs with different spring rates for any model depending on the options fitted. ie if there's a load of options fitted the springs required will be slightly different to a bSe model sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnH
I looked in to the Sport II thing and got nowhere a while back.
Thanks, I've sent an email off to a parts adviser I'm friendly with so hopefully he comes up with something newQuote:
Originally Posted by rebel.ranter
Bottom lime is whatever you put in now (assuming its a reputable brand) it will be far superior to the 12 year old item it is replacing.
Worth reading this:
http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?1267863-Definition-of-e39-sport-package-vs-M-packages
Agreed, 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by rebel.ranter
After having put different springs and shocks on many cars over the years and never being happy despite the assurances and recommendations on the internet I'm now a firm believer in oem suspension.
Just on this, bavauto confirmed they'll ship to Ireland but at $200 per pair. The shocks are only $460 for all for from them so. $400 more for shipping seems dear
I would just go with a Bilstien B12 kit if it was me. No point in sticking with OEM when theres better parts available for less €€€.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnH
Do BMW not sell these under the Valueline dicosunted parts for older cars??
I must look into the B12 kit, thanks. Have you tried it yourself? Id be interested in any real world opinions. I'm not sure if they do offer then under the Valueline but I'll look into it. Thanks for the tip.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoktorB
No shocks under valueline i asked them a while ago
I have a B12 kit on my M3 but it has moved about 500m since I fitted them. So I mightnt be able to give the most informed opinion. But my driveway is pretty bumpy and it feels fine on that if that helps. :hehe!:Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnH
Know of a good few OEM fanatics that have fitted them to E36 M3's when thier fanaticism wained when they were given the quote for new shocks from the main dealer - never heard a complaint from them after fitting the B12 kit.
Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoktorB
About half of my commute is on an old concrete road that'll expose the flaws in any suspension set up. The same road made the back of the e92 bounce up and down when it was on h&r race spring so I'm wary of going for something to harsh
B12 is more "Sport" suspension :wink: , not so soft as OEM Msport suspension . its not too hard as for E39 family saloon car but its slightly different ,more stiff
Thanks. Sounds like it's too firm for my old bones soQuote:
Originally Posted by Valdelisbmw
I still hold on this option that its better to try once as to read 100 times :wink:
but I would like to get as close as possible to OEM on daily E39 ,maybe Boge or Sacks if they do for these cars ,they should do actually .otto parts do Boge I think ,but its not cheap
Agree, I think oem would be best. I can get all 4 boge shocks in the US for €400 but they are the oem equivalent for m sport suspension rather than m sport ii suspension, which I have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valdelisbmw
so whats the difference between them ? :hehe!:
Nobody knows! But I've asked a parts adviser who is looking into it for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valdelisbmw
To add even more weirdness to it bmw north america never offered 705a (mtechII) shocks as an option only mtech I
Msport1 will cost you €415 from the uk for all four
Sachs 170-857 rears
Sachs 556-834 front