so have another new NCT rule ,no pass with retrofitted xenon lights :wink: or they should have washers as from factory
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so have another new NCT rule ,no pass with retrofitted xenon lights :wink: or they should have washers as from factory
Great :rolleyes: glad I kept my old bulbs now quick swap out once a year
One good thing it might stop morons from fitting them now
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They should have washers - although there are some japanese cars apparently where xenons were fitted without them. Think the rule is there a good while - just being enforced by certain testers now. Last handbook is dated 2012.
"Where HID (High Intensity Discharge) bulbs are fitted switch on the headlights and check that cleaning devices such as headlamp
wipers or high pressure water jets are present and work. Check where possible that the headlamp levelling device is working"
Why though?
Yep, was only looking at a jap import E46 the other day. Had factory Xenons, self level adjuster but no washers.Quote:
Originally Posted by kdevitt
Yeah there enforcing the rules now about them. Have done a few swaps back to normal halogen bulbs!
think we will be soon on full european rules ,same as Germany ,no shite replica spoilers ,wheels,exhausts and so on :hehe!::tounge: only TUV approved stuff and main thing, less idiots with wrong xenon conversions
Thats what caused her E46 to fail....has factory Xenons and the washers had been disconnected.
They also failed it on no manual adjustment of the lights...the NCT tester said to the father in law that if the original lights are re-installed then there'd be no issue.
Valdas sorted the washers....so will see what is said on the re-test on Tuesday...re: the manual adjustment.... shouldn't have failed for it in the first place.
Dirt on the lens can deflect the light into the oncoming traffic therefore they must have a means of being cleaned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dod
My last 3 cars have passed nct with hid fitted!!! In the last 3 years I've sent my bora/106gti/318is through with hids and they all passed!!!
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None of which had self leveling lights or headlight washers
did U read even 2-3 posts of this thread ???? its from January 2014 only!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by m3 mick
Thank god no more of those blue badly adjusted hid's blinding you on the road.
Will hopefully get rid of alot of the blue light brigade, though the smart ones amongst them
(not many then) will just swap out the bulbs for regular ones the NCT surely.
It's a positive step in the right direction but I think it needs to be policed too. Gardai should be pulling people with blinding HIDs in reflectors.
thank god...Sick of been blinded by stupid 12k in reflector lenses :@
Funny thing is, they could have headlight washer and there could be dirt on the lense but doesn't mean the driver will wash them or know they are dirty :D
It's sad that all of us who have retrofitted Hid's (including myself) will suffer if it's policed. I've had my 8k Hid's fitted to depo healdights which I disassembled and added my own cuttoffs to. These headlights have passed 7 NCT's and have been on two of my cars. It annoys the life out of me when I see Hid's in reflectors. I absolutely hate it. It is selfish knacker mod of the century and this law is a good one. We'll see how it goes if the Garda will acyually police it or if it's a swap out for the NCT. I strongly believe 2 points should be given for HID's in reflectors/fogs. Even in E36's with no shrouds they look gawk. HID's are the new sunstrip time for them to go. The specifics are a bit anal though beam pattern/scatter and wattage should be the requirements. Hopefully this may stop the 12K 50W in Reflector Headlights and Fogs driving around.
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They should have washers - although there are some japanese cars apparently where xenons were fitted without them. Think the rule is there a good while - just being enforced by certain testers now. Last handbook is dated 2012.
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I read this date and thought it was in since 2012!!
So if I fit factory xenons headlights but don't have the headlight washers I'll fail the nct ?
like on the e39, when I replaced the bumper I replaced it with a non washers as it was cleaner looking. So this will fail ?
Yep. It will fail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mackers
What a load of crapQuote:
Originally Posted by rebel.ranter
I can understand it for the muppets with aftermarket bulbs but not for proper xenons
Both my cars (e63 & e39) have factory Xenons, both also have headlight washers. I think it was one of the conditions placed on manufacturers in order to be allowed to include them on the car, that & auto level adjusting. So if manufacturers have to do it so should everybody else I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mackers
Why do they need washers anyway ?
This rule is not new, here's the extract from the NCT manual from May 2012:
NOTES
4. HID headlamps must be installed as a complete type-approved system. The system will include automatic cleaning. HID headlamps can be recognised by:
a) the light having a bluish tinge,
b) the light taking a few seconds to reach full intensity,
c) the headlamp having an igniter module/inverter behind the headlamp,
d) the headlamp having ”DC” (for HID dipped beam), “DR” (for HID main beam), or “DCR” (if both are HID) marked on the lens. This marking should be visible from the exterior of the vehicle but in some cases the markings may be hidden under the bonnet and this may need opening to obtain a clear view.
HID Lamps:
16 Automatic headlamp levelling device not operating or manual headlamp levelling device cannot be operated from driver’s seat.
17 Mandatory headlamp cleaning device not present.
18 Mandatory headlamp cleaning device not operating.
I agree with this rule but it does affect me as I fitted xenons. Can the E39 bulbs be swapped to the halogen type?
Will affect you Mick as you've no self level adjuster. Have never gone from factory xenon to halogen type bulbs on a Xenon head lamp but should be able to do something.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaveman
Alternatively just get a good set of halogen headlamps and swap them over for the test
lot people has retrofitted xenon ,but the point is ,some headlights are not made to run these bulbs ,they cant adjust the focus .for example E39 headlights are universal ones ,they can be run with and without xenon,but for the rules xenon ones should have washers and automatic adjustment unit .
Ok thanks Conor, luckily I still have my old lights so not the end of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by HealyC
How will they test the self leveling is one of them going to jump up and down in the boot :D
Jeeze I got lucky then the other week as I coded off my headlight washers last year and never re-enabled for the test but still passed, whew!
Is it possible to retrofit the washers and self level?.i retrofitted oem xenon and would rather keep them if I could.
Yep you can retrofit..you'll need a different washer bottle though AFAIK..and im guessing the self levelling wouldnt be too hard bar some wiringQuote:
Originally Posted by Mike murphy
Self leveling is a pig to install afaik!Quote:
Originally Posted by 318 iS Cosmos
Is the E46 wired for self levelling as standard? I presume it would plug in at the junction box where the pad wear sensors plug in? If it is then I presume it's a case of fitting the parts and coding the car.
You'll see the little self levelling arms on the front & rear suspension arms, little black box with an arm attached to a little drop link:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gar
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That still doesn't show them in action mark for the mot it simply states test washers and self leveling only if fitted and were possible to do so, in order to test them the vehichle would have weight added to the rear seat
Too be honest most testers wont be arsed testing it id say, I mean they would have to spray the windshield what 5 times or something before the headlight washers come out and spray the lense
Id say if they spot odd wiring ie aftermarket stuff they will just fail it if the washers are not present
after each ignition on ,headlights on , press windscreen washers and headlight washers will work once .when car is driving ,headlight washers will work not every time u press windscreen washers ,but after some kilometers of driving
Ok, so what's the give away for the tester to say they are xenon or not?
Doesn't affect me but, can somebody neatly fit hid conversion to a projector headlight, hide the cables and ballast where it cannot be seen. Then it becomes a xenon look bulb?
May be an option. But the just of what I'm hearing is that it's gonna be a case of take me out and put them back in. E60 projector in one example for this.
Also as said above, DC5 integras came with xenon and no washers afaik same as the JDM EP3 civic type r.
friends E39 failed NCT with retrofitted oem xenon lights as there was no washers .tester said i was late about two weeks
easy to spot xenon lights :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by kceire
Self leveling lights level themselves every time the igition is turned on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gar
So the tester will check if the car has self leveling lights and then do the standard headlight alignment test.
http://youtu.be/VCjuVzRReHw
Non xenon lights do this is well though John, mine do it every time I turn the ignition on they go down and back up and I do not have self leveling ,according to tis this is a feature that simply stops the adjusters from seizing up