RE: Road carnage this week (every week)
I hate to say it, but who here when they were that age didn't think they were invincible and had the driving skills of Colin Mc Kray it's what being young is , risk taking in all aspects of life. The biggest difference I can see is in my day the fiesta we had could only do half the speed of the current family car nowadays giving you a much bigger margin of error compared to today's vehicles.
At 14-15 year's of age I thought nothing about doing close to 60 miles an hour on a bike down the Wicklow mountains on the wrong side of the road. I started back on the bike recently nearly shat myself coming down a Hill at half that speed
What I am trying to say is when we were young we all took risks in most things we did but when you mature self preservation (sense) sets in.
As for alcohol no excuse
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Originally Posted by Holy Moly
Apart from the one on the quays, they all have one thing in common - young drivers and performance cars do not mix, young drivers and 2am don't mix either. It's a sad waste of life, the devastation over the past 2 weekends is truly shocking.
How do you fix it ? Insurance is supposed to stop the high performance aspect, although the taxed as a 1L on the logbook trick gets around that, the bust I thought was helping too. But even in a 1L car, if you drive like a lunatic at 2 am, nobody is around to stop you. This type of carnage puts the spotlight on all young drivers including the responsible ones. Que Gay Byrne :angel:
One looks like a 316i/318i the other a vw caddy hardly performance its never usually top of the range performance cars all I ever see are run of the mill yolks ran on a shoestring budget and pushed too far not taking the conditions of the road into account etc
Maybe rather then limit the engine size they should limit the bhp say 75bhp for anyone on an l plate or until they reach 23/24
Road carnage this week (every week)
Argument for no performance cars for learners is invalid. I got a BMW as fast as I could to learn in. 30 years old driving since 23 never even scraped a car parking and drive approx 90 miles a day. It's all about driver attude poor attitude = poor decisions.
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Originally Posted by Lucifer
Argument for no performance cars for learners is invalid. I got a BMW as fast as I could to learn in. 30 years old driving since 23 never even scraped a car parking and drive approx 90 miles a day. It's all about driver attude poor attitude = poor decisions.
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The consequences of a poor decision are a lot worst when your sitting behind the wheel of a car that can reach 0-60 in 6 seconds and your not ready for it my first car was a 1.2 at 18 more then enough iv steadily climbed the ladder for the last 7 years and am happy with were im at now the point is if I had a 150mph car at 18 god knows what would have happened your only learning then and 100bhp is enough similar to bikes you cant expect to hand a learner an R1 you have to crawl before you can walk
Just because you never crashed does not invalidate it in the slightest your one of many and not everyones the same
I dont belive high performance cars are the main problem though maybe we should just scrap bank holidays :rolleyes::D
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Originally Posted by Gar
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Originally Posted by Lucifer
Argument for no performance cars for learners is invalid. I got a BMW as fast as I could to learn in. 30 years old driving since 23 never even scraped a car parking and drive approx 90 miles a day. It's all about driver attude poor attitude = poor decisions.
Sent forward in time from my Nokia 3210
The consequences of a poor decision are a lot worst when your sitting behind the wheel of a car that can reach 0-60 in 6 seconds and your not ready for it my first car was a 1.2 at 18 more then enough iv steadily climbed the ladder for the last 7 years and am happy with were im at now the point is if I had a 150mph car at 18 god knows what would have happened your only learning then and 100bhp is enough similar to bikes you cant expect to hand a learner an R1 you have to crawl before you can walk
Just because you never crashed does not invalidate it in the slightest your one of many and not everyones the same
I dont belive high performance cars are the main problem though maybe we should just scrap bank holidays :rolleyes::D
I get what your saying Gar but I don't agree.
I feel vunerable in anything under a 1.6 I could never drive anything as slow again. However people running them on shoe strings cutting corners whenever/wherever insd in their Mams name etc causes problems. Plenty are responsible enough to have say a 1.9tdi or a 1.6 petrol as a first car.
It's the driver attitude I have the most problem with. Look at the States loads of people start driving very very early and have access to V8's from 17 etc and they have their road deaths average at the best in years. A little tution in school for us all mabye a LCVP module would do the country wonders. It's very easy to sensationalise road deaths and do nothing to tackle the cause.
RE: Road carnage this week (every week)
Just my observation, I went for a drive with the missus yesterday headed from Limerick to lisdoonvarna then onto Doolin and on to Fanore. I had two instances of cars with a hardon to pass me out. Was it the fact that I was in an M3? As I never had bother like this in the jeep
One instance was coming from lisdoonvarna to Ennis if anyone knows the road it's fairly windy this car was right up my A## sniping in and out over the white line I just pulled in and left him at it as he was acting like a prize pillock not to mind been a dangerous git!
Had it again on dual carriageway where a 1.4 focus was tailgating me at 120 km/h again I pulled in an off he roared young child in a car seat in the back!! Easily doing 140+
Common denominator both were young male drivers!! Not tarring everyone with same brush but it is hardly a coincidence!
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Should see the soccer moms on the m50/m3 in the mpv's 70 kids onboard and doing easily +80mph
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Originally Posted by Gar
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Originally Posted by Holy Moly
Apart from the one on the quays, they all have one thing in common - young drivers and performance cars do not mix, young drivers and 2am don't mix either. It's a sad waste of life, the devastation over the past 2 weekends is truly shocking.
How do you fix it ? Insurance is supposed to stop the high performance aspect, although the taxed as a 1L on the logbook trick gets around that, the bust I thought was helping too. But even in a 1L car, if you drive like a lunatic at 2 am, nobody is around to stop you. This type of carnage puts the spotlight on all young drivers including the responsible ones. Que Gay Byrne :angel:
One looks like a 316i/318i the other a vw caddy hardly performance its never usually top of the range performance cars all I ever see are run of the mill yolks ran on a shoestring budget and pushed too far not taking the conditions of the road into account etc
Maybe rather then limit the engine size they should limit the bhp say 75bhp for anyone on an l plate or until they reach 23/24
At least two were relatively performance related, the rally driver and the Donegal double tragedy, even the BMW you mention can fairly lick it along.
Even outside of that, normal family cars can give mid '90's hot hatch cars a run for their money, can reach very high speeds and results in road tragedies. But it's a combination, the ability of the car only being one, being invinsible at 2 am is another. It's sadly inevitable that young people will lose their lives on roads all over the world due to their own recklessness, how do you fix it ????
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Imo it cant be fixed you can put everything under the sun in place but people are still going to have accidents and people will unfortunately die its inevitable
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Originally Posted by ciars
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Originally Posted by listermint
Running away from the guards with someones lively hood i suspect will do this to you. Waste of good organs ruining the lives of people they touch.
Not the time or the place dude..it's not the reason I posted the thread.
Well i was directly responding to what you asked ciars in your first post regardless if you like it or not you asked the question,
'how do you do this along that particular section of the quays'
So i gave a fairly valid response to it. Stealing a car and racing off with it will do that to you regardless of the section of the quays you are on.
The rest of my post has no bearing on it.