Here's one I got today. Car in question 3.0l. 2.5l on book. Going for a psv test. http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/a...psfiywx1jh.png
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Here's one I got today. Car in question 3.0l. 2.5l on book. Going for a psv test. http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/a...psfiywx1jh.png
Howabout it was stolen? In for a penny and all that :-D
Without sounding like a d*ck, you've two choices, scrap the car or pay the penalties for having a falsely declared car, you'll have to weigh up what it's worth to you. Pay the tax like everyone else or scrap it if it's not viable.
It boils my blood when I see people say this pay the tax shit like its the right thing to do. The system is wrong, the people running it are corrupt and we the quiet Irish public by and large go along with everything which we are told.
I still can't see how they can hold the book if you make a declaration that the car now has the current engine fitted with correct engine number etc and the old engine has been collected by a scrap collector.
Innocent until proven guilty.... Just think about that polish guy that got away with drink driving because his summons/fine wasn't in Irish. At least you were making some contribution. It's not like revenue were missing out, you were still paying 710 or whatever the 2.0 is. Just because it's the law doesn't mean it's right, the moment anybody believes that then it's not a democracy in which we live.
You're effectively trying to rationalise fraud.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smokey Bear
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Would it cheaper to do a 2 litre engine swap, even if it cost a grand you wouldn't have to pay back tax and penalties, and if its inspected its legit
The country's finances are like one big balance sheet. If people in one section don't pay their fair share then the rest of us have to pay more, that's not limited to motor tax by the way.
All those "free" public services like health care, education, social welfare, roads, water, policing and others are not really free. I was in India recently and the public services are woefully underfunded, the city I was in (a "prosperous one by comparison to the rest of India) was a kip, I'd be afraid of my life to get sick, the infrastructure was horrendous, homeless people everywhere, and if you drink the water you are literally drink liquid shit! I'm happier with our system!
If we "fix" the motor tax system by making it cheaper them something else has to give, that either means reducing the services or increasing another tax. Also if we all decide to just pay the tax that we choose arbitrarily like adjusting the engine size on the VLC or under declaring income on a tax return how much would we be short? Another analogy would be walking in to a shop and handing over €700 for an item that retails at €1,300 & saying "shur, aren't they getting something".
I'd love to see us switch to a "pay per play" tax model for motor tax where you pay tax on the fuel only but we can't make that change in isolation from UK or Europe as it would lead to massive incentives for fraud and thereby reduce the tax take. Colombia subsidised its fuel and it has crippled itself in the process along with impacting the neighbouring countries because of this policy decision being made in isolation. It's also not ideal that someone that can afford a brand new BMW X5 forth close to €100k only pays less than €700 in motor tax, this is another example of trying to solve one problem (CO2 emissions) but creating another (inequitable tax, and NOX increase). Again any change needs bigger picture thinking, we always have the option of just buying a 2.0L car if we just want to pay 2.0L tax, or even smaller too.
Theres only two certainties in life, death and taxes, might as well get on with the latter before the former takes us....
Generally I agree with the sentiment but it's flawed logic in this case. The system has already been fixed and made cheaper for those in 2008 cars onwards. (With the notable exception of those who choose an M3 etc). The old Cc based system is essentially in roll off and the national fleet gets younger, so an option for owners to switch to CO2 based tax shouldn't be a huge leap for pre-08 owners (if it suits them). It's also not analogous to the goods in the shop example - there's no physical product here.Quote:
Originally Posted by rebel.ranter
That said, if someone thinks the current system is corrupt, I think they're not sure if the meaning of the word. It's pretty transparent, just a bit shitty for certain owners.
Switch the word service in for the word "item" if it makes the analogy a bit clearer.
By "fixing" the tax systems with the C02 based system it will eventually mean that another area of tax take will have to shore up the deficiet as the pre-2008 tax take reduces and the average tax take per car drops. the new system has also created an inequality for future owners of high CO2 cars, as it has now with 3.0L car owners today, so they have not really fixed anything just moved it.
It is no longer possible to downgrade engine size and get it registered. Even if legit with bmw report.Quote:
Originally Posted by jordan191
Has been to much abuse of this. Hence the crackdown.
You are screwed really.