Cheap maybe but with no bookQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnH
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Cheap maybe but with no bookQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnH
Cheap enough that paying the back tax is worth it?Quote:
Originally Posted by alan b
Maybe! Might be fairly messy though, i only ever saw 2 535ds on dd as 2 litre, one is now in galway and is back to 3 litre, and the other i think is now taxed as a taxi so dont no whatl happen there!! Definatley a few bargain 530s though! Wonder what happened that 1.9 logged m3 from the news?
I think they are in the wrong to do this to be honest. If it goes to a new owner he/she is not responsible for the cars debt in motor tax. There is no agreement like a hire purchase or anything and no way of telling if the car is illigetimate/in arrears.Quote:
Originally Posted by alan b
It's nearly like a child running away with his football because the rules went against him. There was a loophole there where the department of transport were not checking up on documents, they accepted people's declarations and IMO unless they can catch the cars in question with the incorrect engines in them and match them up to the paperwork which is falsified then they legally don't have any right to hold log books.
I'm not normally a fan of paying tax but on this one I don't really have a problem with the approach being taken. Holding the books even after change of ownership prevents people who've been caught selling the car to a family member and so avoid any consequence of committing tax fraud. There are many cases where if you take over an asset its tax liabilities can follow to the new owner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smokey Bear
I don't agree with your analogy that this is like a child running off his football. There was no gap in the rules, instead the rules relied on self declaration but a number of people broke the rules, which is illegal. I'm all in favour of a tax system that relies on self assessment and declaration as it makes life much easier in the long run than forcing government departments to double check everything over and over
It's no different to LPT (property tax) when you think about it, you cannot sell your house if you have not paid the right amount of tax based on the assessment criteria, the assessment criteria is the value of the house, if you under declare the value you pay less tax but when it comes to sale time revenue get their pound of flesh, example here:
http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/home-sellers-face-bill-for-shortfall-in-property-tax-1.1895097
The sale of the asset (property) is blocked.
Similarly if you use the assessment method (engine cc size) to under pay the tax due then the sale is blocked until the tax liability is resolved.
My only gripe with it is that there should be some way that prospective buyers can avoid getting caught in such a deal. ie If Cartell could flag that a previous engine swap declaration was made and that this declaration is currently not under scrutiny. Other than that it's good that there is finally a clamp down on this, Lord of people are paying their fair share of motor tax, better if more pay a fair share, it might mean a lesser rate of increase in the long run.
You have to pay the back tax from when you bought the car not from when it was changed.if it was changed 3years ago and you bought it 6months ago you have to pay the extra for them 6months.once you do that they clear it in the tax office.and shannon sends you out a new logbook with the proper details.
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That is correct, however with this engine change clamp down Shannon will not release the VLC to the new owner until the current owner regularises the situation, ie completes the verification of the engine change, or pays the back tax. Until this happens the new owners is left in limbo with no VLC ("log book"). Without the VLC the new owner cannot tax the car and therefore will not be able to legally use their new purchase on the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by warrene60
Not saying new owner is liable for the back tax but they will be caught up in the situation if they hand over money to a seller with a car in this "2.0L on the book" not properly declared scenario.
Ye exactly they wont send the logbook out until the previous owner settles the extra for the amount of time they owned it.simple answer is stay well away from the cars changed in the book from now on.guards are inspecting them every saturday doin 6-8cars every week
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Well if the car isnt there to inspect how can they prove it wasnt 2 litre? Although dont break at your house the gaurds will prob turn up at some stage